tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post6033271034805749559..comments2023-10-04T04:05:26.777-07:00Comments on Adventures In Writing: O.pin.ion.Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04313619484424363895noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-50803690627816368392010-05-05T15:10:50.868-07:002010-05-05T15:10:50.868-07:00Okay, I'm confused. I replied to everyones com...Okay, I'm confused. I replied to everyones comments and mine disappeared. Hmmmm.<br /><br />Alesa. Great points. Objective analysis is helpful too. <br /><br />MissV. Yup, I agree. Sometimes it stings like hell.:)<br /><br />KarenG. Thanks. I hope I can keep the healthy perspective.<br /><br />Matthew. Good to remember, staying true to yourself.<br /><br />Mayowa. I agree. I think you do get better at filtering the more feedback you get. <br /><br />Jaydee. Good points. Thinking about having crit partners in the same genre can help. <br /><br />Emily. I agree. If lots of people point something out I know I need to work on it.<br />I popped over to check out the comp on your blog.:)<br /><br />Angela. Glad you enjoyed the post. I think having people read all your MS is good, but also help on the first three is invaluable too.<br /><br />Palindrome. I agree, sometimes you have to stipulate what you want looking for.<br /><br />Talli. Great point about not taking feedback at face value. Sometime we have to weigh it up. <br /><br />Lydia. I agree, use what you need.<br /><br />Tareheh. Thanks for the kind words. I agree, the business is subjective. If I find the formula I promise to split the profits with you. :)<br /><br />Jayne. Glad you enjoyed the post. Having varied opinions from different readers is a good idea. That way you get a nice variety.<br />Thanks for follwoing, nice to have you here. <br /><br />Jen. I ageree. It is important to remember what we wanted to achieve with the project, not just mould it to suit everyone else's ideas.<br /><br />Zoe. Wow, that sounds like a great tool. I'm going to have a go with that one.<br /><br />Kathi. Great insight. If you need something in your MS then not folding when someone says it doesn't work, and working round it, takes guts. And lots of hard work.:)<br /><br />Adventures In Children's Publishing. Great advice, keep that grain of salt handy but get lost of opinions.<br />Thanks for joining my little blog. :)<br /><br />Medeia. I never thought about the motivation behind critiques. But, like you, I can usually tell who are supportive and who aren't.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04313619484424363895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-34327457195888292412010-05-03T21:14:55.519-07:002010-05-03T21:14:55.519-07:00I listen to my instincts. I absorb all the sugges...I listen to my instincts. I absorb all the suggestions, but then pick and choose the ones that I know for sure will strengthen my story. There are so many ways to tell a story, and not every way will work. Also, sometimes the motivation behind the critique is important. I've been critiqued by people who are angry and dismissive, and I can't take them seriously. I can tell when someone is truly supportive and helpful. Those people have a lot to say (with both the good and the bad of my manuscript) and their feedback is valuable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-25538025998252145432010-05-03T16:25:08.923-07:002010-05-03T16:25:08.923-07:00This is a great post. I can't remember who I w...This is a great post. I can't remember who I was reading the other day who blogged that if a critique makes you angry, it is probably fundamentally speaking to you at some level. That resonated with me.<br /><br />Ultimately, I think the more opinions you get before the work is published, the better you will handle reviews from a wide variety of sources. You can't fixate on any on thing. Take it all with a grain of salt and believe in yourself.Martina Boonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03358736828122139189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-75740041483140678642010-05-03T14:38:14.378-07:002010-05-03T14:38:14.378-07:00Good questions! It all depends on my story, how co...Good questions! It all depends on my story, how confident I feel about the course I've set and whether I trust the other person's opinion. There have been many times when someone else points out something that needed to be changed and when I did it, it made the story stronger. The trick is to trust yourself to know what's best for your story. Sometimes when people say something doesn't work, I tell them well I need it to. How can I fix it so it's believeable? And they usually jump in and help me. Thanks for the reminders!Kathi Oram Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11959149321213743448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-13596749433079891102010-05-03T14:20:06.760-07:002010-05-03T14:20:06.760-07:00This post reminded me of an interesting revision t...This post reminded me of an interesting revision tool: to read your own work as if you were your writing rival. It opened my eyes up to my own writing weaknesses in an interesting way. In the same vein, it may help to look at your beta's offending critiques from the eyes of the person who gave it - might provide some insight. But don't spend a lot of time on opinions. Take the ones that WORK (that obviously strengthen the piece) and toss the rest away. Then move on :D Great post!Zoe C. Courtmanhttp://zoecourtman.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-48352962571761496242010-05-03T13:17:07.115-07:002010-05-03T13:17:07.115-07:00Beautiful way of explaining it. We get so caught u...Beautiful way of explaining it. We get so caught up in what people think we often forget why we started the project, what we loved about, that we once thought we were amazing. I think that's what we need to remember, ulitmately make sure you love your work, take criticisim where you feel it is necessary but leave the rest. <br /><br />Excellent post!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03667521490706435608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-75811128377185753522010-05-03T10:01:00.523-07:002010-05-03T10:01:00.523-07:00Hello! Found your blog via the lovely Talli. :)
I...Hello! Found your blog via the lovely Talli. :)<br /><br />I enjoyed reading this post. I put my writing through a long drawn out revision process, taking in feedback from non writer friends, writer friends, bloggy friends, published friends. Crossing fingers that I get an agent, and a publisher, I imagine the revision process begins again. After that time, if they all say it is good, and I think it is good, then off it goes. After that, I hope I would stay objective! Rinse and repeat, as you say. :)Jaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11309191526500602452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-65974928146816246952010-05-03T09:56:41.944-07:002010-05-03T09:56:41.944-07:00this is such an important post -- and an excellent...this is such an important post -- and an excellent subject. sometimes it's hard to know when an opinion merits changing the story, and when it's simply a matter of opinion and nothing more. <br /><br />i wish i had a secret formula, but i agree that in the end it just come down to you. if the change feels right, appropriate, makes sense? go for it.<br /><br />if not?<br /><br />well! this is an incredibly subjective industry. there are plenty of published books that are excellently written, but very unappealing to *me*.<br /><br />onward and upward, always!<br /><br />i commend you for your take on the issue!!<br /><br />bravo!Taherehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111022596822176769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-73152057181831549512010-05-03T09:37:10.381-07:002010-05-03T09:37:10.381-07:00Right on. Ultimately we're driving this ship, ...Right on. Ultimately we're driving this ship, so it's up to us to discard or take the crits we get. HOpefully, we can learn to work through what is constructive or just out there.Lydia Kanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00484415427764822386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-11842443681406949162010-05-03T09:18:04.598-07:002010-05-03T09:18:04.598-07:00Great points! Ultimately we're the writer so w...Great points! Ultimately we're the writer so we need to decide what works... but we also need to listen to what people tell us and interpret what they say and where it's coming from. I don't always take feedback at face value.Talli Rolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780882465745107715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-65482659573050396452010-05-03T08:44:56.232-07:002010-05-03T08:44:56.232-07:00Usually when I'm asking people to read my work...Usually when I'm asking people to read my work (if they don't read that genre) I stipulate what I want them to look for, just to make it easier on them and me. <br /><br />Sometimes you just want general feedback and someone tries to change your whole idea...that's happened to me once or twice. <br /><br />But my crit group is pretty good at helping me find problems in my writing and we're all very diverse readers so that helps as well.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915603693944523761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-68815433534765231042010-05-03T08:35:04.537-07:002010-05-03T08:35:04.537-07:00Great post! And your attitude, IMO, is a great on...Great post! And your attitude, IMO, is a great one to have. I agree with everything that's been said, from sharing your MS with people of multiple backgrounds, to considering the source of the critique. My favorite critiques (maybe because they were all favorable) came from those who read the entire MS; however, an agent rarely reads more than the first three chapters, so readers who have ventured that far with advice were also very useful.Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17618598756518215871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-86385092344645922592010-05-03T07:06:56.938-07:002010-05-03T07:06:56.938-07:00Ah, there's nothing quite like critique. (deep...Ah, there's nothing quite like critique. (deep sign)<br />One thing I do is give the book to muiltiple people from different backgrounds at the same time. <br />If several people point out something, I know there is a problem, but if it's only one person I know their comment is probably an opinion. Sometimes I listen to opinion, but not always. <br />Great post. Encouraging!<br />Just to let you know, I have a book giveaway on my blog today. :)Emily Ann Benedicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15749623489746393109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-70744733724582595772010-05-03T06:28:00.202-07:002010-05-03T06:28:00.202-07:00You'll never please everybody so going in know...You'll never please everybody so going in knowing that is a big start. However, we do have to pick our betas with a little sense - there's no sense having them read our romance novel, for instance, if they're pre-set to dislike romance novels.<br /><br />Even though helpful criticism hurts, we can still find the good in it and make our manuscripts better but you really do have to judge each criticism against your own gut feeling and the direction you've set for your own work.<br /><br />Great post!Jaydee Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01069805915071090479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-38273921628960909402010-05-03T06:06:12.311-07:002010-05-03T06:06:12.311-07:00Great post maam.
Getting frequent feedback (from ...Great post maam.<br /><br />Getting frequent feedback (from beta readers like you mentioned or a writers group) can help a writer handle these critiques a lot better too. <br /><br />The more feedback you get, the better you get at filtering it through your writers instinct and the story truth.Mayowahttp://www.penswithcojones.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-51738389446540226362010-05-03T04:49:37.856-07:002010-05-03T04:49:37.856-07:00Great point Lindsay, thanks for sharing.
In the e...Great point Lindsay, thanks for sharing.<br /><br />In the end the feedback has to ring true for you, the writer. If you're honest with yourself you'll know whether it fits or not.Matthew MacNishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03264738483763244969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-46032834390527861072010-05-03T04:49:00.930-07:002010-05-03T04:49:00.930-07:00It sounds like you have a very healthy attitude ab...It sounds like you have a very healthy attitude about the whole thing. Which will help you down the road when your book is published and you come across the occasional bad review!!Karen Jones Gowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153821980625034810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-22175746872275500432010-05-03T03:40:50.421-07:002010-05-03T03:40:50.421-07:00Good points! It does sting when someone doesn'...Good points! It does sting when someone doesn't fall in love with our work, but sometimes you gotta consider the source.Vicki Rochohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07381089434014961076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6227786909099691933.post-33556511304608701602010-05-03T03:03:25.373-07:002010-05-03T03:03:25.373-07:00Heh... Opinions; here is mine. Merely that of a no...Heh... Opinions; here is mine. Merely that of a non-writer.<br /><br />It seems to me that if you're writing in a professional capacity, then one massively dissenting voice shouldn't be relevant provided your beta readers are representative of your target audience... In so far as you are writing for a target group, it's the mass opinion that would seem more useful.<br /> <br />Whatever happens, all feedback one receives is weighed against one's own knowledge and opinions, compared to that of the general consensus, and used or discarded as the case may be. <br />Objective analysis is useful for giving everything it relative value, be it one's own work, or the opinions of a reader.Avohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808959359850145003noreply@blogger.com